It will give some confidence in its use. I own both. I own both, a Colt Combat Commander .45 and a Glock compact 9mm. Americas oldest Second Amendment News outlet. For the United Kingdom, after Dunkirk, the UK lost basically everything. Sorry I mis-spelled your name Katherine. Drop the mic The 9mm is ballistically superior to the .38 Special, there's no doubt about that. Using this reasoning, you really dont lose much between a pocket gun like the Glock 43 and a full-size Glock 34. Most shooters will find two specific advantages to a higher muzzle velocity, differences that impact how the bullet maintains a trajectory and how the bullet performs when it impacts the target. Fast enough to hit your target and put it down. They're both about the same energy in most common defensive rounds between the two calibers. Alternatively, the 9mms stopping power and smaller design make it ideal for open and concealed carry. Maybe a 1911 in 9mm and good defensive ammo is in my future. Im not aware of any Humans that can dodge a round in under 1/2 second. I think people should think about not only the effects on an intruder but also how they will feel after they have shot someone. When getting my LTC the instructor was gushing all over it because I was the only one without a Glock, which I actually do have as well, but just love the 96 so much. Ive been doing this for 40 years. Be familiar! Do your research. of energy. Were now getting into some fairly heavy physics, but as a shooter, and especially a hunter, you need to remember that a bullet will slow downrange. that is much easier to deal with. As for a Defence caliper the 22 or is the most deadliest cartridge for a handgun at 375 yards I can put right between your eyes or I can put it between your ribs and put a hole in your heart. FNX 45 T is my bedstand gun with 15 +1, RMR and 1000 lumen Surefire. I walk, run, stand, drop, moving toward and sideways to targets which are set standing height and kneeling height. Studies done on combat troops show similar hit ratios to these LEO stats. Whilst a Glock 19 does have more capacity than a Glock 30, they are almost identical in size, with only 5 rounds difference in standard magazine capacities. Case closed. 1300+ FPS in my Glock 30. However, if trained professionals only have 20-30% accuracy, it's not unreasonable to think that many of us would only have 15-20% accuracy in a self defense scenario. As for the difference between 9 mm and 45 does not even compare thats why when you see police having to fire many shots to take down a criminal when 1 shot from a 45 will take him off his feet choot em. A range instructor at Camp Pendleton once told me most would-be handgun shooters would be more effective hurling the pistol itself at the enemy rather than trying to aim and fire it. Pansies . The comfort level of a a Colt Lightweight Commander is on par with anything out there, and that design is older than any of us still alive. The Trijcon Laser/ Spot/ Flash is also bore sighted low to compensate for 300 yds with a 4x32 Leupold Huntsman Hi-Rise Mounted Scope on 1/2" QD Camlock to transfer to the Bulldog with the Bipod/ Foregrip. Fat & slow or snappy & whimpy Not much of a choice. When it happens your mind will likely go blank. To determine whether or not they are +P or +P+ rated, Call your manufacturer or gunsmith. Type your email address and well send The domestic manufacture of war material was not remotely able to resupply the entire UK armed forces. Your "facts" are only indisputable for you, since you clearly lack experience or any real world outcomes. It depends on the body armor (type and quality) as well as the ammunition used. The recoil may be heavy for some but since I am a big guy, recoil has never been an issue for me. STL like the conversation but on a different subject did anyone see the movie the card Counter I see one of the stars of the movie was wearing a Pew Pew tactical shirt. My preference is to pull up the energy graph for nice visual reference. I have been shot, it happened in the suburbs back in '74. You can vaguely cite "muzzle energy" but it ultimately means nothing with so many variables. Now to the .45 issue: one patient was shot in the back of the leg with a .45 hydro shock round mid way up the leg which lodged in the back of the knee. The lesser destructive force is balanced out by higher accuracy over multiple shots and more ammunition available in states without restrictions. It fires slow and heavy bullets at a lower muzzle velocity than the 9mm and can be suppressed to near-whisper levels. So, which round actually produces more recoil? Any reference to "stopping power" in regards to the aforementioned rounds is laughable. Hopefully he ll leave or be disoriented so you can leave in a safe direction. For instance, Hornady uses a 24 barrel to test and record muzzle velocities for their 223 ammo. Shot placement and Round choice will be the determining factors for desired outcome. TB. About "Youre welcome Europe" well, it could be useffull to open History books : France made the biggest part of the job, with England, during WW1. And if you shoot at a car,it sounds like a hammer when it hits,and the bad guys know its not a pop gun aiming down on them.They find the gas peddle most rikki tik. When I was young military carried 45acp most leo where I live carried 357. At Self-Defense ranges for a pistol, 50 fps will provide no positives or negatives. That being said, every one raves about the FPS of the 9mm. What I am saying is 9mm is a better round in all the metrics that matter. Springfield 1911 A1 .45ACP +P ported and polished. The 45 exhibited less muzzle jump than my 9mm. Average muzzle velocity: 1132 fps Average muzzle energy: 327 fps. JNB. Bigger holes are better ones. If there's bearsI'd go with bear spray first. .45 vs 9mm? 9mm in the field just makes sense, for all the reasons Eric lists plus those of you fine, well informed readers. I say do your research and spend time on range with both weapons and carry them both! All bullets kill. YouTube - Store data on what videos from YouTube the user has seen. My personal word: yo prefiero una .45 acp de gran capacidad, p 14, una mega star, una glock en modelos 21 y 30; todas ellas por el gran poder de contundencia. So, I disagree with the Taylor KO index . The righteous banded together to defeat evil as this was surely the will of God himself. The point that the wound tracks are almost the same according to the 2014 report is very surprising to me and frankly illogical looking at the bullet size, both uncollapsed and collapsed. Having said that, here is something to consider. Muzzle Velocity and Down-Range Velocity I own, shoot and train with few firearms and calibres, including the Glock's 19, 26 and 30S. Unfortunately I sense America is way beyond that point. I have several carry modes active: inside the waist band, outside the waist band, pocket (jeans, shorts and jacket), and .380 on the ankle. If you, as an individual, can put in the training required to fully leverage 40S&W or 45acp then it can be a great choice for personal defense. 45cals are GREAT and so are 9mm, but If you Hit a ATTACKER IN the NECK or CHEST with a 9mm he is not going to say, "It's only a 9mm let me finish attacking this person". That would explain why unbelieving (LOST) people in "HELL" "BURN, but NEVER BURN-UP"..!!!"??? I agree with the .45 recoil being overblown. The 9mm NATO is equivalent to a slightly overpressure variant of the standard 9mm Luger. Ill take the big 45 any day. You do not pay But I think 9 millimeter Luger is a better carbine round over .45 Auto. PS. My nightstand pistol is a Glock 41, but I would only grab it if one of my AK47s stopped firing. You always try to chose the right tool for the job, no surprise. As a trauma room doctor pointed out in one article I was reading, bullets that leave the body are less effective than ones that stay in. So, if you consider 10 rounds of 45ACP sufficient, then, definitely, the choice would be the Glock 30. This cookie, set by Cloudflare, is used to support Cloudflare Bot Management. Instagram Done talking with someone who refuses to educate themselves. Then the spray and pray method was adopted. I may earn a small part of the sale from links to any products or services on this site. Two were head shots. By the time you've pulled the trigger with a .45, a 9mm can put 3 rounds in any anatomically advantageous area. If you want to go further or apply wind resistnece then use custom seetings with our ballistic calculator. The stand-out loads among those that I tested are again from Lehigh Defense. Then buy noise canceling ear muffs for about $20 because if you ever pop one off indoors it will hurt your ears. They experience real world outcomes every day. Retract head from tuchus. The password should contain at least 8 characters with at least one number or special character. Muzzle velocity is key. And, we all know that the more damage done, to the body, the faster the blood loss. But I have a lot to learn in this area as well. 4. lbs. The US military adopted the 38 Long Colt in 1892 thinking service men could carry more ammo and the cost to manufacture and transport would be lower per round. This is to ensure good expansion of defensive hollow point ammo, plus the Bodyguard gets lost in my pocket and slips sideways on me. 9mm Luger rounds have a deeper penetration than other handgun calibers. Its the gun I run classes with and is setup on my battle/SHTF rig. Wrong, you change the angle. The object then becomes to stop your adversary from firing bullets at you. Penetration and energy, and the physical properties that result in them (velocity, weight, diameter, etc), are the most important features. measured 12 feet from the gun's muzzle. I read a lot before I chose 9mm over .45 and was swayed a lot by the later technology of 9mm catching up with the power of .45. So, why should we expect that the USA is any different ? Do the math. I personally know of more more people surviving being shot with a 9 than a 45acp. Which is it? Luger designed his original 9mm to be lethal at 50 meters. I have both, I have practiced more with the 45 ACP. "ANY GUN will do!! Practicing at a public range is not ideal. One of the BAD things about FIREARMS in AMERICA is the DEMOCRATIC LIBERALS!! Facebook any bullet that passes through the body only delivers 10% to 20% of energy to the body, like the hot 9mm that are famous for over penetrating human targets, not jello it is ENERGY that is stopping power. ( Look it up) I'm a person who lives in a rural area, no longer military and not a cop. The above writing concludes that my next pistol is .45ACP (already ordered Glock 41 MOS) and if I have to ever use it (and I hope not) - it will be one shot center body mass and wait if bad guy want to do something else. Don't come here like an expert when you clearly base all of your knowledge on YouTube videos you've watched. I carry a Glock 30 concealed . In the real world a single hit with a .45 will stop him." Their testing shows seven 9mm rounds that equal or exceed 500 ft lb, with 4 hitting between 511 and 540 ft lb. Switching to the 9mm makes them look less sexist. The 45 has more cons than it does pro's, specially with modern day guns. I've modified the trigger pull on mine a bit. Still, if someone breaks in the house I keep a .45 S&W revolver next to the bed. What ever cal. My "house gun" of choice: .45 Long Taurus Public Defender. Now, I can see all kinds of comments coming from that one, from 'good idea' to 'that's a terrible idea'. Like the logo of a Very Familiar training range: However neither caliber is magical, as some may believe. However i must say I have quite a bit of arthritic damage in both