loaded with a 180-grain Oryx bullet to the .358 Norma Mag. Most only in imaginations. The best answer to the question might be to just get one of each. No matter if its books, art or hunting cartridges, its only those with a deep understanding of the subject who can fully understand the greatness often buried in obscurity. Mag. There seem to be fewer choices each year, and thats a shame. Even though it does not sport the sexy pointed bullets and high velocities of some of the more popular cartridges on the market today, the .35 Remington still maintains a healthy following among American hunters. And, if youre going after elk- or moose-sized game, or are maybe afraid you might have to shoot it out with a brown bear, youll appreciate that bigger and heavier bullet. Among the .35 caliber cartridges popular in the United States, the .358 offered a definite step up in performance; the .35 Remingtonthat popular woods rifleis much slower than the .358, and though the .35 Whelen has been among us since 1922, it would remain a wildcat until 1988. The Deer Season XP load from Winchester, using the 150-grain load at 2325 fps still has 903 ft.-lbs. Contributor Brad Fenson is back in the kitchen with another recipe for uplanders across the continent. A main strength of the 35 Remington not shown in the ballistics tables is its energy transfer shock power (35 caliber and 200 grain bullet). It was a gift from my father for my 15th birthday, andat least to the young man who received itmarked a passage into manhood. Savage Arms has announced the newest model in its series of straight-pull rifles, the Impulse Driven Hunter. Today, the ammunition for both cartridges is much improved from what it was in the 50s and Hornadys LEVERevoultion ammunition extended the practical effective range for both cartridges. Mag.-all with a bigger, heavier bullet that will punch a bigger hole and penetrate deeper. .30-30 Win. Contributor Mike Roux takes his audience through a few factors that contribute to a successful hunt. Versatility If you were to give the edge to the larger frontal diameter of the .35 Remington.358 versus .308you would have a valid point. Boxes of 20 can be found in the $25 range while the .35 Rem. It used to be that you couldnt find an eastern deer camp without a .35 Remington in it. starting load is also 17.0 grains and the MV 1658 fps. is on the threatened list, this one is on a path to extinction. That version is in some dispute, with evidence that Whelen himself developed the cartridge or at least worked with Howe on its development. I have shot a few critters, including a tough South Texas Nilgai, and have been happy with the performance. Using the same case head diameter of the .223 Remington at a length of 1.71-inch, the 350 Legend uses a .357-inch diameter bullet, for a combination that is very easy on the shoulder while being effective downrange. $735 + $40 SHIPPING to your FFL DEALER.This gun is chambered in the WINCHESTER 35 CAL. .30-30 Win. The .35 Winchester (colloquially .35 Win) cartridge was created in 1903 by the Winchester Repeating Arms Company for use in the Winchester Model 1895 lever-action rifle, and was also available in the bolt action Remington-Lee, [1] or the Model E-10 Factory Sporter Ross Rifle in Canada. It arrived with three other cartridges designed to compete with Winchesters popular lever-action lineup. Even when using the standard factory loads, the .35 Remington is an outstanding round for use on medium sized game such as whitetail deer, feral hogs, and black bear at short ranges. If youd rather listen than read, click the appropriate link below to listen to this episode on your preferred podcasting service. If I were a Midwest hunter, Id dive on top of the 350 Legend, as it gives what I consider to be the most bang for the buck. The .35 Rem., by contrast, can be much more difficult to find. We have V-MAX, Polymer Tip and Soft Point bullets for Hunting, Varmint and Small Game Hunting. 200-grain bullet to almost 2500 f.p.s. A box of hunting ammunition will sell for $19 to $22. The .35 Remington was releasedas one of a quartet of rimless cartridges from Remingtonin 1906; it is a rimless affair designed for their Model 8 autoloading rifle. In most guns, neither cartridge produces the velocity or accuracy for varmints, and both are underpowered for very large game. necked up to .35 caliber. So, which one comes out on top in a head-to-head matchup? With the best loads, my Remington Model 700 is one-hole accurate. A 35 Rem or .358 Win would have been perfect for the situation. The .356 Win. At 100 yards it will hit with 1861 foot-pounds of energy. plowed fresh ground. bullet than the .35 Remington. While the American mainstream wont accept the .35, they are not unloved. So, in recognition of both the strengths and weaknesses of the cartridge, the .35 Remington gained a good reputation among American huntersseeking an effective woods cartridge for pursuing game in areas where shots inside 100 yards were the norm. Spl. For comparison, a .270 Winchester produces about 17 ft.-lbs. clearly more powerful than the .30-30. from my E.R. A rifle chambered in this caliber will let you practice more frequently and stay at the range longer than one in the .35 Rem. Following the sale of Remington Outdoor Company's assets in September 2020, Vista Outdoor purchased Remington Ammunition. The Remington Model 673 Guide Rifle was chambered in .350 Rem. Both conceived in the early 20th century, the .270 Winchester and the .30-06 Springfield are ballistically similar, easy to find, and chambered in a wide variety of rifles. Everybody agrees that the .358 Win. As Barnes puts it, the .35 Rem. Of the two, which serves the hunter better? Winchester is among the leaders in the entire ammunition industry in terms of high-volume production of both .223 Rem. One of the oldest and most popular cartridges of all time, the .30-30 Winchester, was released in 1895 and has been bringing down all manner of game ever since. On Wednesday, the Center for Biological Diversity (CBD) sent a notice of intent to sue to the U.S. Forest Service (USFS) for alleged violations of the Endangered Species Act (ESA), due to the hunting of gray wolves in Wyomings Medicine Bow-Routt National Forest. The .35 Remington has proven itself for almost a century as a reliable short-range woods cartridge for medium-sized game such as deer and black bear. At the time, .32 caliber cartridges were actually more popular than were the .30s, but it didnt take long for the .30-30 to establish itself as a perfect deer hunting cartridge. In the deer camp mix of Savage 99s, Marlin 336s and a selection of Winchesters, many cartridges were represented, including some rarities like the .348 Winchester, but the main rivals were the .30-30 Winchester and the .35 Remington. load of 17.0 grains of IMR 4227 for a MV of 1400 fps. The .35 Remington uses the 180- and 200-grain .358caliber bullets, and while light-for-caliber, they are effective at the ranges a .35 Remington is used, which is usually inside of 150 yards. The original load of the cartridge propelled a 200 grain, .35 caliber, bullet at just under 2,100 feet per second. The Creedmoor is the hottest cartridge on the planet. Sure, we experiment a bit with other bore sizes, but in the end it always comes back to the .30 caliber. was simply a .308 Win. to achieve its potential. Looks like I will be getting a Winchester Model 07 .351 SL next week.Just wondering if any one has any tips or good loads for shooting this rifle.Have been able to find some load data in the #45 Lyman Reloading Handbook.Looks like IMR 4227 would be a good powder to use.A plus, as I already have this powder. While it has been chambered in many different rifles, the combination of the Marlin Model 336 rifle and the .35 Remington has achieved true classic status, in spite of the fact that the rifle was introduced 1948. Takedown Model, . I double lunged a buck with a 225gr. remember seeing it on Winchester's loading list when I was a teenager. In 2022, he was named as the brands Shooting Editor. Developed in the days before ballistic coefficient was a talking point at gun counters, these cartridges tend to use wide, stubby bullets that cant maintain velocity at extended ranges. Size Finally, Winchester had developed an autoloader powerful enough to truly be used on North American big game. All we do know for sure is that it was either Howe or Whelen, or both, who necked the .30-06 Sprg. Federal, for example, offers 12 varieties of the .30-30, including loads in their excellent Trophy Copper and HammerDown series. vs. .300 WSM.223 Remington vs. .22-250 Remington. For a more detailed discussion on .35 Remington hunting ammunition, read this article: Best .35 Remington Ammo For Hunting Deer, Bear & Other Big Game. Winchester action. These seemingly small differences added up to a significant difference in power and effectiveness on game between the two cartridges. This stumpy little cartridge was introduced to the hunting public in 1908 and is the only surviving member of the early class of Remington rimless cartridges. Join me for a look at another great investment rifle. On Wednesday, the Center for Biological Diversity (CBD) sent a notice of intent to sue to the U.S. Forest Service (USFS) for alleged violations of the Endangered Species Act (ESA), due to the hunting of gray wolves in Wyomings Medicine Bow-Routt National Forest. figure of .256 versus the 200-grain .358s S.D. Winchester autoloaders of the time could not accommodate The ammunition hung on a while longer, but eventually Big Green abandoned her babies and stopped making both cartridges. Published Mar 19, 2021 3:00 PM EDT. and the 6.5 mm Rem. Though a 150-grain spire point load was offered for a whilespecifically for the old magazine-fed Model 8sthe standard load has long been a 200-grain round nose bullet. Driving a 160-grain jacketed bullet to a velocity of just over 2300 fps, it represented a fantastic hunting cartridge for its time. At ranges less than 100 yards, likewhen hunting whitetail deeror black bear in thick cover,the cartridge excels and is absolutely deadly on big game. hit the market in 1895 paired with Winchesters now-legendary 1894 lever-action. clearly more powerful than the .30-30. Outside that area, I feel that the sheer number of rifles chambered for the .35 Remington will assure a steady supply of good ammunition, fulfilling the role the .35 was designed for. The company has chambered several rifles in the cartridge including models in bolt-action, pump-action and semi-automatic. The .35 Remington uses the 180- and 200-grain .358caliber bullets, and while light-for-caliber, they are effective at the ranges a .35 Remington is used, which is usually inside of 150 yards. Sadly, my favorite bullet diameter, the .35 caliber, doesnt even rate a blip on the American shooters radar screen. stated to be 1850 fps and the muzzle energy 1370 ft. lbs. Remington introduced the .35 about 10 years later in 1906 alongside their Model 8 semi-automatic rifle. By It was not designed for a lever-action rifle. However, even after 123 years on the market, the .30-30 Winchester remains the king of medium caliber lever guns; it has been in the top ten selling cartridges for Federal Premium to this day, and with millions of rifles out there chambered for the cartridge, that will probably be a fact decades from now. Chiefly because of the handy Winchester '07 carbine, the Comparatively, the 35 Remington load that hits hardest is the 220-grain "Heavy" by Buffalo Bore. The .358 Win. and the .32 Win. The .351 WSL did grab a bit of fame, first as a popular rifle for prison guards and then as one of the rifles used to punch a lot of holes in Bonnie and Clydes automobile (although that accolade is in question). Reloading Handbook, IMR 4227 proved to be the best overall powder for the .351 WSL. Its even more effective when using some of the hotter loads (like those from Buffalo Bore) available on the market. Here's the inside story of what they found and how they're rebuilding an industry giant. The most common load is a 200gr round nose soft point traveling between 2,000 and 2,100 feet per second. I have one, and I like it a lot. FMJ bullet at 1,870 f.p.s. and is probably a better deer and black bear cartridge at woods ranges than the more popular .30-30 Win. Which of these two classic lever-action rifle deer and big-game cartridges is best? 1907 Autoloading Rifle. Joined: Feb 2010. Cartridge overall length is 1.90". We offer rifle ammo in a number of calibers including 223 REMINGTON, 30 CARBINE, 300 WIN MAG, 307 WIN, 308 WIN, 375 WINCHESTER, 5.45 X 39MM, 7X64MM and more. If youd like to read a more detailed discussion on a couple of other .35 caliber cartridges, read the articles below: 338 Federal vs 308 Winchester vs 358 Winchester: What You Need To Know. The barrel is a full 22 inches, like it always should have been, but the foolish design with the huge shark fin front sight turned hunters off, and it was dropped. The rim diameter is .407" and the head diameter is .380". The heavy, slow moving bullets deliver bone crushing power and do not produce large amounts of ruined, blood shot meat that high velocity cartridges do. Why the .35 Rem. The .351 WSL is based on a semi-rimmed, straight-sided case Which cartridge wins? barrel. The .351 SL cartridge used an unusual bullet diameter of .351 instead of the .357 or .358 more commonly used in .35-caliber rifle cartridges. produced 109 results. and .32 Rem. Back in 1983 Winchester introduced the .356 Win. I would also expect it to handle anything in North America from deer to the big bears. It arrived with. Now, in this comparison, I will freely admit that the .35 Remington is not legal for those areas for which the 350 Legend was designed, as the .35 Remington is a bottle-necked cartridge, but there has been quite a bit of rumbling among those hunters who appreciate the short to mid-range cartridges, about whether or not the switch to the new cartridge is worthwhile. The .30-30 only produces about 10 foot-pounds (ft.-lbs.) Townsend Whelen praised it as a "good cartridge for deer and similar game in close timber."[3]. Hornadys LEVERevolution pushes the performance up a notch with a 200-grain pointed bullet at 2225 f.p.s. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Women On Target Instructional Shooting Clinics, Volunteer At The Great American Outdoor Show, Marion P. Hammer Women Of Distinction Award, Women's Wildlife Management / Conservation Scholarship, National Youth Shooting Sports Cooperative Program, Reloading Centerfire Ammunition: Tips For Getting Started, Shooting and Loading the 6.8x43 mm Rem. But is it the best? In 1953, the cartridge found its home in Marlins 336 lever-action, but it also was favored by many who hunted big game with single-shot pistols like the Contender. The maximum load for has been offered in just about every rifle action type ever conceived and a few handguns. In addition to the semi-auto Remington Model 8 and 81, Remington also produced the Model 14 pump-action rifle chambered in the cartridge. cartridge Winchester chambered in the Model 1894. Both generate between 1,800 and 1,900 ft.-lbs. Seller: GUNNER308 . were to go head to head with the .25-35 Win., .30-30 Win. When hunters there really need to make a rapid shot and anchor their game quickly, they can rely on a Marlin 336 chambered in .35 Remington. Alongside the .25, .30 and .32 Remington, the .35 would be the only survivor. Because of its power and versatility, many generations of hunters from states as varied as Maine, North Carolina, Texas, and Georgia have successfully hunted deer, moose, bear, and hogs (like the one in the photo below) with the .35 Remington. I own several rifles in this cartridge and all my .35 Whelen rifles are accurate. Lead bullets can be case from #2 alloy using cast bullets to .352". Both of these .35 Remington ammo choices offer slight improvements over typical factory loads. Still, much like the old man who can rattle your teeth with a punch, appearances can be deceiving. Even the 200-grain LEVERevolution .35 Remington load retains 1711 foot-pounds of energy at 100 yards. It has far more knockdown power than the .30-30 under any conditions at any range. Calling and shooting predators is one of the things that helps hunters get from the end of the fall seasons to when the turkeys start gobbling. hits a little harder, but only clocks in at 13 ft.-lbs. Ballistics vs. .35 Rem. Book an outstandingAfrican safari hunt here. It was not designed for a lever-action rifle. They include both the AccuBond and the Partition 225-grain bullets with a muzzle velocity of 2800 f.p.s. Today, thats not so much the case; the .30/30 is pushing the .35 out the door and its popularity or whats left of it will probably die with Generation X. The .358 Norma Mag. Semi-automatic and striker-fired, the P320-XTEN is extremely accurate, easy to shoot even with powerful 10mm loads and holds 15-plus-one rounds. Barnes also points out that factory pressures tend to be lower than necessary. The ability to smack the snot out of big game animals like black bear and wily old whitetail bucks is what really matters. The benefits of .350 Legend are that it is indeed inexpensive and produces lower recoil. Well probably never really know for sure, but it is certainly possible that he used a Remington Model 8 in the famous shootout, though it very likely did not have an extended magazine (as alleged by some sources). The origins of the .35 Whelen are controversial even today. Gun guys recognize the potential in the .358. On the other side of the aisle, the .35 Rem. was introduced in 1955. In particular, the .35 Remington offers a marked advantage over the .30-30 Winchester when hunting very large, tough, and/or dangerous game like moose and grizzly bear. [2], While a few gun writers in the 1960s criticized the .351 SL for being inadequate as a deer hunting round, and the round's power has sometimes been compared to a .357 Magnum carbine load, the .351 SL's killing power falls somewhere between the .30-30 Winchester and the .35 Remington. Campfire Ranger. the higher pressure and back thrust of more powerful cartridges, so the .351 Self-Loading cartridge was designed for the existing Bottles & 12-oz. Naturally, this resulted in performance compromises and the It never has been and never will be a good long range cartridge, but if anything,modern loadings using high quality bullets have further improved the performance of the .35 Remington on big game at short to moderate range. Posts: 16,091. and the head diameter is .380". On the other hand, the 200-grain LEVERevolution .35 Remington load will drop 17 inches with the same 200-yard zero. I still see them each deer season in upstate New York, in the Catskills and Adirondacks, as well as in the Hudson Valley; like the .30-30 Winchester, the .35 Remington is cheap to shoot and still makes venison as well as it did a century ago. was designed for the American market, but sadly no American riflemaker ever chambered the cartridge in a cataloged gun. Modern reloaders will have trouble finding .351 WSL brass The muzzle velocity was .30-30 Win, .35 Rem, .351 WSL, a.o., sizes. I feel the cartridges offer very similar performance, at similar ranges. It is believed that Frank Hammer fired the opening burst into Bonnie & Clydes 1934 Ford with a Model 8 in .35. Its cheap, easy to shoot, and most importantly, effective on whitetail in close quarters. in a rimmed cartridge that would work in a lever-action rifle. A major online retailer only lists four loads for the .35 Remington but lists 35 different options for the .30/30. Those cartridges fly farther, but if your hunting ground only allows for shots within 100 yards, why put your shoulder through more pain than necessary? Mag. Ballistics Its just about perfect for the deer woods, and you can easily teach a youngster the art of shooting an iron-sighted lever rifle without punishing recoil. It will handle black bears and feral hogsas will the .35 Remingtonbut sourcing ammunition is far easier if you own a good old thutty-thutty. I can certainly see the Midwest deer hunters making a switch to the 350 Legend over any of the .40 to .45 caliber cartridges, as the 350 Legend offers the Goldilocks just right formula: a good balance of striking power and ease of shooting. of energy. Mag..243 Winchester vs. 6mm Remington7x57mm Mauser vs. 7mm-08 Remington.25-06 Remington vs. .257 Weatherby Magnum.338 Winchester vs. .375 H&H Magnum.30-30 Winchester vs. .35 Remington.257 Roberts vs. .250-3000 Savage.270 Winchester vs. .280 Remington.35 Whelen vs. 9.3x62mm Mauser.416 Rigby vs. .416 Remington Magnum.308 Winchester vs. .30-06 Springfield.22 Nosler vs. .224 Valkyrie.300 Win. It is capable of driving a. has far better knockddown power than the .30-30 under any conditions and at any range.. Released in 2019, the Legend was designed for use in states that restrict deer hunters to straight-wall cartridges and was billed as the fastest such cartridge currently in production. For me, that puts it over the top. Winchester sold both soft point and FMJ ammunition for the .351 SL cartridge over the years. factory load is a 250-grain Oryx bullet listed with a muzzle velocity of 2723 f.p.s. Here, he explains their advantages and disadvantagesand how to use them safely. The .358 Win. From the Green Goblin (a bolt-action rifle I built on a Remington action), both will produce groups that are sub-minute-of-angle. Henry Repeating Arms currently manufactures a model in .35 Remington as well. [1] .35 Winchester Self-Loading cartridge diagram. Likewise, the 200-grain LEVERevolution .35 Remington can sustain 1711 foot-pounds of energy for a 100-yard distance. Mag. into the deer woods, and I pine for what could have been. S .Click for more info. Particularlywhen used in a high quality rifle, the .35 Remington is capable of pretty darn good accuracy and Ive shot many nice groups with an off the shelfRemington Model 81. from a 20" barrel. The .35SL proved popular at first with the general public as a short-range deer and black bear hunting cartridge, but was soon superseded by the introduction of the more powerful .351SL in the Winchester '07. The .30-30 Winchester and .35 Remington wont break any speed recordstheres no doubt about that. The .35 Remingtons story is a bit different. Because of its ability to retain velocity, the 160-grain LEVERevolution .30/30 load is also the hardest hitting for that cartridge; at 100 yards it is carrying 1643 foot-pounds of energy. Shootability vs. .35 Rem. If we compare the .300 Win. Campfire Ranger. Of the two, which serves the hunter better? Remington made great efforts to promote the power of the .35 Remington by featuring the cartridge, along with their revolutionary new semi-automatic rifle, in many advertisements during the first half of the 20th Century. Marlin offers the Model 336 in both .30-30 and .35 Rem., but its unclear whether Ruger (which recently purchased Marlin) will continue the line. These strengths along with the Marlin 336 ease of carry (foot or horseback) and its open iron sights make it possibly the best bear protection firearm out there. The .35 Rem. That is quite a few cartridges considering that there is not a single best selling rifle cartridge in . Thanks for your support. Included in that have been a whole bunch of deer, hogs and a bear or two. For those interested in wringing out all of the power available in the .35 Remington, there are a couple of other .35 Remington ammunition options besides the standard 200gr soft point loads listed above. But, there is an issue: It seems the .35 Remington ammunition has begun to fade away. Its strength is a straight wall allowing use in certain states for big game. vs. .458 Lott7mm Rem. Mag.They have almost identical case capacity, but the .358 Norma Mag. It was predictable that the .356 Win. If zeroed at 200 yards, their 160-grain FTX .30/30 Winchester load will drop 12 inches at 300 yards. 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